security agency have been monitoring thehone records and internet activity of citizens should concern every american. >> and syria is indeed using chemical went tons kill its own people. what happens now? >> now every day that goes by is complicated. there are no good options. >> times change and the immigration systehas to changnge with those times. >> the u.s. senate race in massachusetts. could republicans pull one out of the hat again? >> you've got to turn out in this election. >> the super secret national security agency is headquartered in maryland just outside of washington, d.c.

he nsa is building another facility in the middle of the utah gadget where they will capture everything we say or text electronically, phone calls, internet searches, you name it the nsa has it. a plan politico's roger simon describes as possessing all of the qualifications to become a rocery bagger. high school drop out hired as a security guarded by the c.i.a. and claims he had access to just about everything. sbl when you see everything, you see them on a more frequent basis and yorecognize some of these things are abuses. you can't come forward against the world's most powowerful intelligence agency and be completely free from risk because they are such powerful

agencies that no one can meaningfully oppose them. >> we reject as faults the choice between safety and ideals. candidate obama becomes president obama and discovers that sometimes the demands of national security do challenge our ideals. he's not the first president to experience that? >> he isn't. you are kidding yourself if you think otherwise. this is a classic tradeoff. i think the public understands that and accepts it. i don't see a great up swell of public upset. i think people underststand it d they accept the tradeoff. >> the leaker edward is hero, house speaker boehner thinks he's a trader. hat about you charles? >> he hasn't gone to trial yet. but in a non-legal sense he's a trader, of course he is.

if you had every person in the army and intelligence deciding on their own what ought to be told the world and whatnot, you have no army and no intelligence. there is a certain obligation you take on when you enter the service. if you are disillusioned you don't act on your own in a society of law. you go to the congress, you go to a lawyer. you try to get your story out in a way that doesn't as you say give away the family jewels. and what is he doing in hong kong? this is a paragon of human ights. in 1997 it became a sovereign property of china. i'm not sure who he is or why he's doing this. >> article three of the constitution defines treason as giving a aid and comfort to the enemies of the united states. do his actions meet that est? >> as charles says he hasn't been tried yet. i think there is too much we don't know about this young man.

it is peculiar that he ends up in hong kong. some of what he says i am reasonably convinced is not true. he has exhibited a certain amount of grandiosity. on the other hand he's produced facts. and to examine t these programss to understand that even if you accept the fact that they are aimed at having information vailable if necesry and that they have all kind of safeguards and if you accept that a and th material is necessary sometimes and has oduced alerts about terrorist attacks, you still also have to accept the fact that there is enormous potential for abuse. and that we have not really examined that issue in public in any meaningful way. and this gives us an opportunity, i'm not sure it

will actually happen, but an opportunity to do that. >> mark, what do you think of this young man? is he a hero or trader? >> i don't see he reach it is level of trader. no american secrets were revealed or disclosed. nothing was sold to the enemy, nothing was sold to an entity or foreign country that is hostile to the united states. no agent's names were put at risk. no friendly sources were exposed. and so i don't see that. perhaps the most disingenuous statement of all from the white house i welcome this debate and think it's healthy for your democracy. the conservatives in the congress and liberals don't want discuss this. you can't discuss it. now we want a debate on it. which is it? >> congress is an accurate reflection of the public mood. people live with this.

congress have known about this for a long time. they could have blown the whistle but they haven't because they know there is a conflict between public privacy and security. yo nu're never going to resolve it.. >> i appreciate the fact they briefed congress in a relatively forth right fashion. but when you are getting a briefing you don't know what questions to ask in many instances. >> they don't want to ask because it's not going anywhere. >> it's just wrong. this is the first time the debate about secrecy versus privacy versus what post 9/11 means has come home. it's been about what about rendition, what about guantanamo. all of a sudden it's come here. it's our lives and they are going to store this stuff indefinitely.

and i tell you one thing that gets me going is this high school dropout business. wh the hell, the snobbery of this city. we defer and general reflect before phd and graduate students like richard pearl. george bush was an mba from harvard. they took us into the worst war this country has entered in story and we're still paying or it. and we forget the fact that washington, d.c., lincoln, franklin and a lot of other great americans were high school dropouts. >> one person can do a lot of damage. one thing about technology, technology is a force multiplier for evil meaning that one person who has their hands on technology can do a lot of harm. >> how does a high school dropout get access to this information?

maybe i'm a snob. >> the dropout is irrelevant. the issue is did he have the training in the field? i understand he was with boos allen for three months and then he disappears. he's one guy apparently from the testimony we've heard was going into places you are not supposed to go. it's not stuff he was authorized to do. he was breaking the rules and the law just i in looking for ts stuff let alone disseminating. where have you been for the last decade? we've had debate over debate over this. the patriot ability and the wire taps and then in 2011. we have always debated this. the collecting information about the outside of the envelope about the addresses where you don't look inside the envelope about the content of the phone calls. and we decided that is the correct line.

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>> earlier president obama said the use of chemical weapons was a gamente changer. assist tons syria's rebel forces will increase now. about 90,000 killed with chemical weapons. john mccain sizz if we can't establish a no fly zone then taxpayer dollars have been waisted. shoot his aircraft down. charles how has the game changed

now? >>t's all up to one man. the tragedy is it's all up to one. the recommendations from the c.i.a., defense department and senior people was he had to do something and he didn't do anything. he treats this instead of high state craft which it is as a csi episode. now he's got the evidence. the tragedy here is this. we're at a point are the rebels re deeply in distress. iran is in the game. the russians have flooded it with weapons this. is a civil war in which one side is participating. we have done nothing which has held up the other side. we are now at a point where it could be too late. what was reported on friday, the administration is thinking of increasing the military assistance, small arms and am in addition. they are getting hit by the most high-tech weapons the russians

and iranians have. too little too late. if that's all you're going to do, better to do nothing. > spanish civil war. >> you asked the question, you get an answer. >> here is the key on this right now to me anyway. john k kerri has pusushed hard r this administration -- bill clinton broke on tuesday with this administration. what we're looking for is the most illusive subspecies in any civil war and that is the rebel who believes in religious pluralism and democratic free elections.

al qaeda is in this. you have al qaeda groups on the rebel side. it's a little bit like the atheist watching the methodist notre dame game. you don't know which side to root against. assad is the guy to root against in this one. it's a tough one. >> i think obama was reluctant to intervene. that's a healt take. he's learned to be careful and not to get bullied. now eventually he had to say yes. i don't think he was wrong to resist intervening when you don't know what ththe unintended consequences are and you're aiding al qaeda. > i'm with evan on this.

i see no good outcome. it doesn't matter what we do there is no good ocome. how deeply are we involved and what are the consequeences fterwards. >> obama played hamlet for two years. >> no, it isn't. >> let me explain. >> a year and a half ago the rebels were not dominated by al qaeda. it began as a revolt by syrians who were not al qaeda. they were the local people and that's when the help could have been decisive. assad was on his knees. >> there was no unified oppositi to help. there were al qaeda people in there from the beginng the minute they saw the opening. this is not simple help one side. >> it's much less simple here han libya. >> the point is you're denying the fact that the shift in the

composition of the rebels has never happened, that al qaeda was the dominant element from the beginning and that is simply false. >> i didn't say that. >> t the resistance has little do with syria and a lot to do with iraq and afghanistan. that is the war. >> the debate continues.

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maybe for the nationals redskins parade and that'it. >> quite bluntly to put it in political terms. the senator from arizona says this makes it difficult for republicans toompete ationwide and state by state. it's tough to compete fofor people's votes on any issue when ey believeou don't like them and that's wherehe republicans are right no and john boehner has a real problem because you saw what h did last week. with steve cain in the lead from iowa they repealed the dream act which is enormously popular and hurt republicans in the 2012 election and i don't think it rgues well for the immigration in the house. >> you don't think this s things

going g to make it? >> right now i think w what ehner wants to do is get the house judiciary committee to reak it up bit sizes to pass something so he doesn't have to deal with what the senate does pass and have an up or down vote in the house because they can't carry this in the house right now or if he does itoi's going be a majority of democrats and minority of publicans and hat's bad. >> this is a reatest of functional government. when you have a lot of repuican momentum as wellll as democratic, when you have all these forces in alignment and can't get it done. that's when americans ouought to really be worried abou congress. >> it is a situation of the tail wagging the dog. the smallest part of the base in republican party it's probably a third ofof the base or 40% of t base is now wagging the whole dog.

and if we can't get this done as even says, when everybody seems to want to do it, it doesn't speak well for us. >> charles, new gallop of american confidence in our institutions. congress ranks last out of 16. 10% approval rating. e lowest for any institution on record. erican confidence in the military 76%. >> what's the confidencen general? >> 25. >> sa dam hugh sane somewhere n between iet. >> the problem is not in the house, it's in the senate right now. the e guy who isis not wagging e tail but leading the mar marco rubio. he wants to fix this. he's made a huge concession to the democrats. he going to do legalizatio before any enforce. he swallowed it because there is no other way to dodo it. he says 'll legalize everybody.

befo you can get a green card and get citizenship p we want to have enfororce. that's where the argument is. they are asking and the gang of eighght i thout agreed on the border so you know what is going on le in a w zone.e. and 90% interdtion. that should be the objective. if you have that the majority of ericans will say republicans and democrats and consnservativ will say that't's okay. democrats are try to vote that down. if you don't have enforcement nobody will support it on the republican side. >> a word on t the u.s. senate race in massachusetts. could the democrats boot t this one again?

>> you can't just turn out during a presidential election.

>> he's going to try to prop him up. >> he may be a fresh face but he's p promoting the stalest old republican ideas. >> that's a peek at the race in massachusetts for the u.s. senate seat vacated by joh kerry. ed markey has been in congress forever. > challenged by a newcomer -- t britain yell gomez gabriel gomez. that's a pretty good lineup when you consider where thhe weaknes is in the lalast election for republicans. >> you described congress 10% of apoval and ed markey has been in congress 27 years. >> they have carried by 20 points or more at the pridential level. >> could gomez be another scott brown? >> he could ifhere hadn't been a scott brown. he ifrom massachusetts. does like the red sox. does campaign. as a graduate of boston college.

are the democrats worried? >> vice president biden in brockton. >> bill clinton the president of united states going to wither. the president of the united states and mrs. obama separately campaigning for him. >> they are not taking any chances. if there is anything they can do to make sure they don't have anotr scott brown situation they are going to do that. >> the president is speaking in boston on behalf of markey. the clip you didn't show was showing why it's in gridlock or break down and he said that's because what they care about is the next election and not the next generation. he said that. >> markey has been there so long but he is not a hack. he is a very smart guy who knows

a lot. that is a quality that has been diminishing on citol hill. he knows what he is doing. > a democrat honored this weekk as the longest serving m membern cocongress in history. quite an achievement mark. >> quite an achievement. and one thing i remember about john dingle was in 1925eu6 civil rights revolution. it wasn't just a southern thing. it was very much more than industrial areas and john dingle put at risk his own career by voting for the act in 1965. the "wall street journal" said 50 to 1 chance he won't be re-elected. nd he was. >> we'll see you next week. the second time, you're older...

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